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0:00 - Interview introduction

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Partial Transcript: Today is Wednesday, August 30, 2017, and my name is Scott Hinshaw. I am in the Alumni House with Coaches Lynne Agee and Carol Peschel.

3:02 - Playing sports, coaching aspirations, roles, and jobs before UNCG

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Partial Transcript: Did both of you always know you wanted to be a coach?

Keywords: Athletics; coaching; Physical education; University of North Carolina at Greensboro

6:46 - Coaching at UNCG, serving as associate athletic director and elevating from Division III to I

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Partial Transcript: I came to UNCG and when I got to UNCG of course, through the years, so many things changed.

Segment Synopsis: Discussion of changes at UNCG athletics, primarily, moving from Division III to I.

Keywords: athletic director, Nelson Bobb, Division I (NCAA)

13:58 - Players come from Roanoke College to UNCG with Coach Agee and a very successful first season at UNCG

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Partial Transcript: Now you were a player, Coach Peschel, at the same time that Lynne Agee came here as coach.

21:33 - Coaching Men's and Women's Tennis and structure of Intercollegiate Athletics at UNCG

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Partial Transcript: I'm going to switch gears a little bit and ask you about, Coach Agee, your time coaching Women's Tennis here. How did that come about.

27:10 - Challenges and accomplishments of moving from NCAA Division III to Division I

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Partial Transcript: Ok. So Women's Basketball at UNCG has a winning history in three NCAA Divisions.

Keywords: Division I (NCAA); Nelson Bobb; recruiting; Title IX

39:30 - Rival teams and changing conferences

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Partial Transcript: And so, tell me about some of the rival teams y'all has over the years.

41:59 - Division III challenges and success in 1988

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Partial Transcript: In 1988, your team made it all the way to the Division III Final Four.

45:22 - Division I success in 1998

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Partial Transcript: And so, 1998 was another big year for the program when you won the conference tournament and with that a bid to the NCAA Division I tournament.

Keywords: Division I (NCAA)

48:30 - Proudest accomplishments, keeping in touch with former players, and secrets of success

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Partial Transcript: What accomplishments as a coach are both of you most proud of?

Keywords: academics; Nelson Bobb; Title IX

57:56 - Reflections on meaning of UNCG and its future

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Partial Transcript: Well, we're coming to the end here. So, we have some questions that we ask of everyone in these interviews.

66:30 - Interview conclusion

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Partial Transcript: Well, I don't have anymore formal questions. Is there anything else you'd like to add?


Scott Hinshaw: Today is Wednesday, August 30, 2017 and my name is Scott Hinshaw. I am in the alumni house with coaches Lynne Agee and Carol Peschel to conduct an oral history interview for the UNCG Institutional Memory Collection. Good morning.

Carol Peschel: Good morning.

Lynne Agee: Good morning.

Scott Hinshaw: I like to start the interview by asking you about your background. Please tell me when and where you were born and we'll start with Coach Agee.

Lynne Agee: Wow. I was born on October 7, 1948 in Roanoke Virginia.

Scott Hinshaw: Okay. Coach Peschel?

Carol Peschel: I was born in Portsmouth Virginia, March 7, 1960.

Scott Hinshaw: And can you tell me about your family and home life and we'll start with Agee and go to Peschel.

Lynne Agee: Mom and Dad both worked back then and I had an older brother. He was nine years older than I was. My dad was a semi-pro baseball pitcher. My brother played everything, basketball, so I didn't stand a chance.


Scott Hinshaw: You were hooked early on.

Lynne Agee: It was a very athletic family. Mom had played volleyball in her high school days many, many years ago too. We were out in summer and we were playing in the back yard all the time and I followed my older brother around so from baseball to basketball to whatever and golf.

Scott Hinshaw: Everything.

Lynne Agee: I did it all. Yeah.

Scott Hinshaw: Yeah. That's awesome.

Lynne Agee: Or at least tried to do it all.

Carol Peschel: Shortly after I was born, we moved down to Texas and we lived down there, my parents and my brother and I for 10 years, and then we moved back to Virginia when I was 10 and I lived in Virginia for 10 years before I ended up coming down here to go to college. So I would always laugh and say I lived 10 years in Texas, 10 years in Virginia and now, shoot, almost 40 in North Carolina. But fairly normal life. My parents were into sports and athletic and 2:00my brother played baseball and football, tried basketball but he was short and I guess basketball became my thing and I probably would have played softball but my high school didn't have it. I ended up playing just basketball pretty much. So.

Scott Hinshaw: And what high schools did y'all attend?

Lynne Agee: I went to William Fleming High School in Roanoke Virginia.

Carol Peschel: And I went to Cave Spring High School. It's funny because Lynne went to Fleming High School, her last name was Coleman and she went to Fleming High School and when she came here, she was coaching the Coleman Gym which later became Fleming Gym. So it's a very funny thing I think. And now it's the-

Lynne Agee: It's strange.

Scott Hinshaw: And now it's the Coleman building.

Carol Peschel: And now it's the Coleman building.

Scott Hinshaw: Yeah. Very nicely renamed. Yeah.


Lynne Agee: That's funny.

Scott Hinshaw: Okay. So did both of you always know you wanted to be a coach? Let's start with you Coach Agee.

Lynne Agee: I guess. Yes. Whenever I was growing up, I played every sport there was. Like I said, my family was athletic and so I tried to tell everybody that I played with what to do, I think. Because of my older brother and my dad. So. It was as I went to school, of course I went to college, went to Longwood and I did the same thing there. I participated in sports there and was a physical education major. I knew that, that's what I wanted to teach and do with my life so it worked I guess and landed at a place-

Scott Hinshaw: It seems to have worked out very well.

Lynne Agee: Yeah. And it was very interesting because at my time when I was going through college and preparing, UNCG was the best physical education program.


Scott Hinshaw: Yeah they were known for it. Yeah.

Lynne Agee: Yes. And that was the reputation and that's where I wanted to be and oddly enough, that's where I ended up. So it worked out well.

Scott Hinshaw: You said you went to Longwood, was there any thought of going to UNCG back then? Because, you heard of it-

Lynne Agee: No I couldn't go out of state.

Scott Hinshaw: Okay.

Lynne Agee: I had to pay the bills and-

Scott Hinshaw: Understood.

Lynne Agee: ... so I had to stay in state. But yes, I wanted to-

Scott Hinshaw: But it is interesting-

Lynne Agee: ... because-

Scott Hinshaw: that you'd heard about it.

Lynne Agee: Yes. That it was the best and I did want, but I couldn't do that. I ended up there anyway. I don't know how that happens.

Scott Hinshaw: We will get to that maybe.

Lynne Agee: It's just one of those things. What can I say?

Carol Peschel: I never really thought that I was a coach to tell you the truth. I was a business major and I think I just ... When UNCG made the decision to elevate from three to two to one or three to one, I just fell into the job and 5:00it was my program and I wanted to take care of it. The whole time I was coaching, I was pretty much the detail person and doing background stuff.

Lynne Agee: The academic person.

Carol Peschel: And Lynne did a lot of ... She was also an associate athletic director, and a lot of the day to day stuff fell on me to keep all the tops spinning and she would get out meetings, and plan practice and we would go to practice and that kind of thing. I really was more of an organizer behind the scene's person. That's what I'm best at and although I did coach, I didn't really ever train to be a coach. Which I think hurt me in some ways, but in other ways, I had a good memory and I was always pretty organized so I felt like I used my business degree-

Scott Hinshaw: Yeah. I was going to say it sounds like you-

Carol Peschel: ... all the way around even though I wasn't actually in ... I was in business, but athletics business.


Scott Hinshaw: Right.

Carol Peschel: But ...

Scott Hinshaw: So tell me about your first coaching jobs, Coach Agee?

Lynne Agee: My first coaching job. Well, I guess that was at my own high school. William Fleming High School. And then from there I aspired to be a college coach and so I had an opportunity and took a ... Correct me if I'm wrong, Carol. Took a part-time position first at Roanoke College. Is that right?

Carol Peschel: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Lynne Agee: And I was there what how long did I say?

Carol Peschel: Three years.

Lynne Agee: Three years. Three years at Roanoke College. And just from that point, I knew that's what I wanted to do. So I came to UNCG and when I got to UNCG of course, through the years, so many things changed over all the years. I was here 30 years and Nelson came in and I went from just a head coaching 7:00position to an administrator and became associate director and was involved in ... Across the board. When we elevated the program of course, that was exciting.

Scott Hinshaw: Right. So that was Division I time.

Lynne Agee: From three to two to one and did it in a limited time. It was bam, bam, bam. Which was a great challenge for us because in elevating that quickly, we left Division III and those rules and we quickly moved in and had to adapt to all the rules of Division II and then instantly within a what? Three year period? We're going to Division I and now we have another whole set of rules. It was a great ... I think it was a great achievement as well-

Scott Hinshaw: Certainly.

Lynne Agee: ... just the accomplishment of getting it done and in a time frame and of course Nelson was just tremendous at that. We were all just working hard to make it work and get it done right and no mistakes. No penalties. It was 8:00quite a challenge and a lot of fun. And in the process the university was building and growing and-

Carol Peschel: Well the university made the decision to elevate and athletically what that meant is we were Division III but the moment we announced that we were going to elevate, we had to operate under Division II rules, which are more stringent, for three years which is the shortest time period to make that transition. So we were in Division II for three years. While we were in Division II, we had to operate under Division I rules, which are more stringent still. It was quite a challenge because we were out on the road competing with one level but operating at another. In recruiting that made a difference. Luckily we were already recruiting at a higher level. Our players were already ... When we were in Division III, we had some Division I players and it's very different now when 9:00you talk about Division III, and Division I. Players abilities are very different at those two levels now but then ... this was in 1987? I think 1987.

Lynne Agee: You came in '81.

Carol Peschel: And it was closer. There wasn't as much different between divisions at that time, but now it's vastly different, I think, but it was really a challenge in the things that we had to go through in the elevation process. People don't really get that. But it was also fun 'cause we were working together.

Scott Hinshaw: Right. Yeah I didn't realize you had to operate on the next level's rules. That's a big challenge.

Carol Peschel: Yeah to make that-

Lynne Agee: The rules were big deal.

Scott Hinshaw: So did you get support from the university monetarily 'cause obviously you had to do more recruiting, more trips I assume?

Carol Peschel: Oh yeah. It was a university move. The chancellor... Clearly, we 10:00were elevating the university by using the athletic program. Everybody was involved. It's a big financial move.

Scott Hinshaw: Okay. All right. Let's go to coaching at UNCG which we've already started talking about, but let's back up just a little bit and Coach Agee you had a very successful three years as Roanoke College head coach and came to UNCG in 1981, and can you tell us how about you learned about UNCG? You mentioned that you knew they had a great physical education department.

Lynne Agee: They did.

Scott Hinshaw: So you did know about them but-

Lynne Agee: I did.

Scott Hinshaw: ... how did that come about?

Lynne Agee: ... and actually I wanted to come to UNCG, but it was out of state and couldn't afford it, as I said. As I moved up, as I grew up and decided to pursue coaching, that's again, that's one of the places way back then that I wanted to be, and I couldn't get there, but eventually it happened. UNCG 11:00athletics what we were involved in with Nelson Bobb and creating a program and elevating to Division I and doing it successfully. It was beyond our own expectations. We knew we wanted to do that. And as we started to build, and the university was behind us, the chancellor was behind us obviously, he was awesome.

Scott Hinshaw: This was Chancellor Moran, Right? Yeah.

Lynne Agee: Yeah. And it was just ... We built the school in a totally different scenario which is what athletics does for you. Then facilities started and everything about the university just grew people.

Scott Hinshaw: So when you came on when you applied for the job, or you got it, you knew at that point that they were trying to go to Division I or was that something that happened after?

Lynne Agee: No, that was '81. It was ... I forget what year when we Division I. '91


Carol Peschel: Division I in '91 but the plans began in the late 80s.

Scott Hinshaw: Okay. So when you came to us, it was Division III program, and you didn't necessarily have expectations that it would go further than that?

Lynne Agee: Not at that moment, no.

Carol Peschel: You have to understand too that all of this was taking place at a time when women's basketball where you had large ... Small college and large college and large colleges have scholarships, but very few and all of this started to change in 1982 which is the same time she happened to come here. 1982 was the first year of all Americans at levels other than Division I. There was small college and large college and then it went to Division III and II and I. But that distinction wasn't always known. When Lynne came down here it just so 13:00happened that it was the same time that women's basketball was on the rise.

Carol Peschel: Before that it was an afterthought. Since then, it's incredibly different from even what it was then. It's interesting the way her career and Kay Yow, Pat Summitt, all those people were at a school at the time that this was happening. And back in those days you stayed at a school. And you stayed there and you helped everything grow and, she was in the same era as the other great coaches that brought the game forward, I guess.

Scott Hinshaw: Right. Yeah.

Carol Peschel: So it's interesting that it paralleled the same time period that we're talking about.

Scott Hinshaw: Now you were a player Coach Peschel at the same time that Lynne 14:00Agee came here as coach. So what did y'all think of each other when you first met?

Carol Peschel: Well actually I came with Lynne.

Scott Hinshaw: Came with her. Okay

Carol Peschel: I played with her, I played for her at Roanoke College along with another one of my team mates, Michelle Blazevich. And we had a good program at Roanoke College and then our coach is leaving. And Michelle and I talked back and forth, back and forth. "What are you going to do, are you going to stay, are you going to go?" Michelle finally said ... And she's two years younger than me. And she's like, "Well, I'm going 'cause I'm a business major, I want to be an accounting major and if I can be at UNCG, that's going to a better degree for me than Roanoke College." even though we were both from Virginia. She was from Northern Virginia. She pressured a little bit, and I ended up coming too. We both transferred. It was a decision made in August and we had to be-

Scott Hinshaw: Last minute. Yeah.

Carol Peschel: ... in school in August. And two other girls from Virginia happened to come down. They were freshman that Lynne had been recruiting at 15:00Roanoke College and they ended up coming too, so that first year, it was really funny because she had the people who played at UNCG and then the four Virginians that she brought with her and then freshman that the coach before Lynne had recruited. So when we had tryouts, she ended up keeping only the four Virginians and the four players from the previous team and then three freshmen. So we only had 11 players that first year, but it was a really unbelievable how we got along so well. She only kept three, four players off that team the year before.

Carol Peschel: So we were segmented at first because we were...the UNCG players. We were mostly from New Jersey and Virginians and then the freshmen and we just all ... They accepted us the four who were here and ...


Lynne Agee: The elevation of the program was a great challenge. Because you're flipping rules, you're changing rules every year from when you go, three to two to one. Everything's different. It was really a great challenge to be on top on those things and not violate and move quickly through in to the next level in a year and another year. And then the building and next construction, everything, everything just went boom. Chancellor Moran ... We had some outstanding people who were so committed to making it happen. Not the least ... He just was awesome. So we were in a very good place.

Scott Hinshaw: And that's quite a commitment for the four Virginia players to come, leave their school that they're going to and come-

Lynne Agee: Yeah. They followed me. What can I say they don't know.

Scott Hinshaw: That says a lot. That's great.

Carol Peschel: Well interestingly enough, one of those players, Brenda Tolbert, 17:00had been recruited by the former coach and she came down here for a visit and nobody showed up to meet her. She wanted to come to UNCG 'cause she too was a physical education major and she came down for the visit, nobody was here. So she walked around herself, and then when Lynne got the job, she was like, "Yeah, I'm in. I'm going." So she came down. It was funny the way it worked out. So I guess really the question you should ask is, How did the other players who were, that Lynne kept on the team, how did they feel about Lynne? And they respected her quite a bit, they had already been through, I want to say, two or three coaches in the two or three years that they'd been here. And they had some people who stepped in mid year to finish the year out coaching so it was not very stable position before Lynne got here. So they were all in because they 18:00finally had a coach, that's all they wanted and they were good players.

Carol Peschel: And what, they still stay in touch. I remember we had ... I don't know when it was. Several years ago we had the 1981-82 team, went in to the UNCG athletics Hall of Fame and everybody came, everybody came back. So it was pretty neat.

Scott Hinshaw: That was neat. Well that even speaks to how great your program was in that first year that you had that much success starting players coming in from another school that although you'd been coaching them before mixing them with the players that were already here and getting that all together. That first team finished 25 and three and earned a trip to NCAA Division III tournament, and finished as runners up and a 67, 66 overtime loss. That's still amazing-

Lynne Agee: It was a killer.

Scott Hinshaw: Yeah. I was going to say, How did that feel? And-

Lynne Agee: It was very painful when it ended.


Scott Hinshaw: But it's the-

Lynne Agee: But it was an amazing accomplishment. It was. And the players ... We were in it all together. Coaches and players and it was an amazing run. It was really an amazing run. Yeah.

Carol Peschel: And we had a lot of support from the university. Even in those days, I think they got a busload of people together-

Lynne Agee: Guests. Yeah. Parents. Everybody.

Carol Peschel: They came up to ... We were in Elizabethtown in Pennsylvania so we're playing on the other teams home floor but we had a busload of fans who came up there. It was just a gym that we played in but it was packed. And it was on ESPN and see all this comes in to the history of women's basketball, that was the first year that the championship at Division III had been televised.

Scott Hinshaw: So no pressure there for y'all's players.

Carol Peschel: None. Oh no. And of course, we'd never been on TV. We were-

Scott Hinshaw: It's just ESPN.

Carol Peschel: ... scared to death. We just been ... Yeah. And they were interviewing people. We didn't know what was going on. But it was a lot of fun. 20:00Except for the loss.

Scott Hinshaw: Of course. So Coach Peschell when you became UNCG's first female all American in 1981-82 season and you earned all tournament honors that season. So what made that season special for you?

Carol Peschel: That was my last. And I was the only senior so anything, anything good was going to be memorable, but it was just an unbelievable year, the way it all fit together. Of course, you didn't know what was going to happen but they way the year progressed and we just kept winning and winning and the team was so unified. Everything felt good. I can remember coming back on the bus from the airport. We flew, didn't we?

Lynne Agee: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Carol Peschel: I believe we flew up there. I was just bawling, driving in to campus 'cause I was done.

Scott Hinshaw: Yeah. It's real, then. Right?

Carol Peschel: Everybody else got to come back, but I was done and I didn't 21:00coach right away. I was out in the business world working for the first three or four years before the decision was made to elevate. And then I came back and got my masters at the time. But yeah I was pretty upset that it was over because it was my one and only ride. Whereas everybody else, Michelle Blazevich, she got two more years and yeah it was hard.

Scott Hinshaw: But it was worth it to make that move here. Yeah.

Carol Peschel: Oh definitely. Definitely.

Scott Hinshaw: Well I'm going to switch gears a little bit and ask you about, Coach Agee, your time coaching women's tennis here. How did that come about?

Lynne Agee: Well I did about everything growing up as an athlete. I played tennis in college, so I ended up in a dual role. I actually had the men's tennis team too.

Scott Hinshaw: Oh really?

Lynne Agee: You have that down?

Scott Hinshaw: No I didn't have that down. That's amazing. Wow.

Lynne Agee: I coached men's tennis and women's tennis to a level for a couple of 22:00years until we could get to the point where we can hire a men's tennis coach. At this time we were building and money, money, money to bring in new positions to do what we wanted to do. And ...

Scott Hinshaw: So was this the first teams or this was the coach who had left or ... But was tennis a new sport for UNCG at that point?

Lynne Agee: No. No it was here. But again, I was the tennis person and I ended up in the middle of both men's and women's tennis. And then we, I don't know, it was a couple of years when we hired what's his name ... Oh shoot, give me ... I see his face, Paul.

Carol Peschel: Paul.

Lynne Agee: Paul Lubbers was here and I was able after a couple of years ... Nelson and I worked on it and we knew we were building a program and it was in stages, obviously had to be in stages and we had an opportunity and we knew Paul Lubbers and we brought him in and hired him. Then I'm doing women's tennis, and 23:00women's basketball. Either way eventually I got rid of that. I moved into the associate AD position and things changed but it was a great challenge putting it all together. I can't say of anything harder than that. It was quite fulfilling to see the program after we get it all together, and we get all the sports going, up and running and then become successful. It was just an incredible creation I guess. But we had a lot of fine people playing and working for us. Obviously.

Lynne Agee: You had to have the players. You can't do anything without the players.

Scott Hinshaw: And there's still all the things that go along with any sport. You had to do all the recruitment and things like that as well? Yeah.

Lynne Agee: Oh Lord, yes. Yeah. We had to do our own recruiting. How many nights on the road all night-

Carol Peschel: All of them.

Lynne Agee: ... all night, every night-

Carol Peschel: All of them.

Lynne Agee: ... and all day and drive back in and practice at three in the 24:00afternoon and turn around and get in the car at 5:30, 6:00 and break our neck an hour and a half down the road to watch somebody. Yeah, it was crazy. It was crazy. But ...

Carol Peschel: See the way the athletic department was structured back then though. This is the 1980s. And when Lynne first took the job, it was a full time job and she was part-time at Roanoke College, so the attraction to come down here was that this was a full time job. I think this was about the same time that Chancellor Moran came into the university, I'm not exactly sure. But the athletic department was under HPERD was what it was back then and the athletic director was also a professor, Tony Ladd. And when they brought Lynne in, the way the athletic department was structured and I think that Chancellor Moran was starting to deform this, was there were four full time coaches. No teaching 25:00responsibilities which was very unusual for Division III and each coach had two sports. So there were eight sports at that time. Well the men's basketball coach was here before Lynne and he loved women's tennis, so he coached women's tennis.

Carol Peschel: Well then that meant Lynne had to coach men's tennis and when she took the job, she was women's basketball coach and men's tennis coach and then when Larry Harget left, he went back to Texas, they restructured and Lynne became women's basketball, women's tennis and they hired Bob McEvoy.

Carol Peschel: By now, we were Division II, weren't we?

Lynne Agee: I think so. Yeah.

Carol Peschel: Or maybe we were still three and he made the elevation but anyway ... So then Bob McEvoy coached men's basketball, men's tennis and then Tere Dail was coaching volleyball. She had volleyball and softball and men's soccer was always good. Mike Berticelli was the coach and I guessed he must have coached 26:00men's golf maybe?

Lynne Agee: He probably did at the beginning.

Carol Peschel: Those were probably the eight sports at that point and time. And-

Scott Hinshaw: I didn't realize every coach would be coaching two teams.

Carol Peschel: And they were located in a log cabin.

Scott Hinshaw: Yeah. I know about the ... Which is still.

Carol Peschel: Which is on Walker-

Scott Hinshaw: On Walker. Yeah.

Lynne Agee: It's still there.

Carol Peschel: ... still. But they were in ... That's all they had was the log cabin.

Lynne Agee: I had my own office in there.

Scott Hinshaw: Wow. Okay.

Lynne Agee: Nelson was in there. He was-

Carol Peschel: Nelson and Bobby. His secretary.

Scott Hinshaw: That had to be cozy.

Carol Peschel: And then-

Lynne Agee: It was. We laughed.

Scott Hinshaw: That's good.

Lynne Agee: Other people would come to campus and we're in ... "Yeah, we're in the log cabin." And they're like, "Are you serious in the athletic program?" But it was fun. We knew we were building and at that moment we were just all excited and it didn't matter. We were all in the cabin. You could hear everybody talk. We just talked to everybody.

Scott Hinshaw: Yeah. It was on the corner of Walker and Aycock. Correct? Yeah.

Lynne Agee: Yeah. So it's crazy.

Carol Peschel: Yeah. We had more than one recruit where we would say, "Yeah, just come to the log cabin." And they wouldn't show up at all. Log cabin? But 27:00the smart ones found us.

Scott Hinshaw: Yeah. Found us. They flunked the first test. Right?

Lynne Agee: Crazy. Crazy.

Scott Hinshaw: So women's basketball at UNCG has a winning history in three NCAA Divisions and in fact Coach Agee is the first women's basketball coach to lead a team to the NCAA tournament in all three divisions and you've talked about some of this already, but if there's anything else you want to add about the different challenges facing coaches at these levels, at the different levels and how you overcome them. Does that motivate you?

Lynne Agee: Well absolutely. That was a great challenge to know that in a three year period, each year we're instantly moving to the next level and being sure that who you're recruiting but on the other side of it, let me say first, it's a selling point too in recruiting. So we're going out recruiting and now we can 28:00say we're going to be Division I if you're at the Division III level now, and we have to pick and choose, but in three years we're going to be a Division I program. That was kind of the sales pitch that we had which excited people.

Scott Hinshaw: Sure.

Lynne Agee: And the other side of recruiting for us too. It's always been this way.. is UNCG was a great institution. It was a great physical education program that people knew nationally and this ... They liked Greensboro North Carolina too. A lot of ... We recruited from the north, in the northeast a lot. Pennsylvania and those areas and they loved it. They loved to come to North Carolina. They wanted to go south. It all fell together and I think we knew ... Let me say, we had a good sense of how to tap into people and to draw them into 29:00our university. It's not the big time. We weren't the big time, but we could sell UNCG and obviously I guess, we could sell ourselves and we knew how to select what players suited us very well, I think.

Lynne Agee: That's a big issue. That's a big thing. They were eager to build a program 'cause we were creating something. It wasn't like they're just going down the road to the college in there and going to play, it was this is whole new project to make an elevation in the door. I think a lot of the excitement was that for recruits too.

Scott Hinshaw: Definitely.

Lynne Agee: Wow.

Carol Peschel: And we also had players who we better than Division III players 30:00when we were Division III and then we had some people who could have played Division I, but they chose to come to school here. And they were paying their own way. Well a lot of the Division I's in those days didn't have the scholarship-

Lynne Agee: Scholarship.

Carol Peschel: ... loan to have the whole team on scholarship anyway, but we always had players that were, I think a little better than the level we were actually at. When we were Division II, we had a lot of Division I players. I think part of our success in making the transition was that when we went from Division III to Division II and we had a limited amount of scholarship money, we gave that money to the players we already had because we believed in them. And then what money we had left, we gave to our recruits. Other coaches in the program at that time, saved their money for the new people which caused 31:00resentment with their current players.

Scott Hinshaw: I understand.

Carol Peschel: We went the other way. We rewarded the people who were already here and then that helped us continue to recruit good players, because if you have happy players who have good attitudes, they're the ones who do the recruiting once you get the recruits to campus, they're the ones who seal the deal for you pretty much. That's how it worked for us so when we made the transition from three to two and then two to one, it's fairly seamless for us. What was difficult was that when we're in Division III, there was an automatic bid for our conference. When we were in Division II, we were independent 'cause there was no Division II conference and we weren't staying anyway, we were moving on to Division I so we had to convince kids to come and play for us. We didn't have a conference. You can't win conference tournament awards. We going to try to build a program here and we had to convince people to come to want to 32:00do that.

Scott Hinshaw: Was it hard to build a schedule of opponents in Division II 'cause people knew that you won't ... Not going to stay there. I guess maybe they were in the same boat in some cases. They were trying to go to Division I as well, but you don't have a conference. So you're looking for independents. Yeah.

Carol Peschel: Right. You have to build the whole schedule which Lynne pretty much did that but she ... People knew her by then so she could pick up the phone and call just about anybody and get a game. Now when your Division II and you're trying to elevate, yeah any Division want to play you. "Yeah, come one. Come on. We'll put you on the schedule." And the first year I think when we went from three to two, the first year we played, half Division I, half Division II 'cause we weren't in a conference so our schedule was wide open and we were trying to move forward. We scheduled ... Pretty hefty schedule but then if you have-

Lynne Agee: We had to find out what Division I was about.

Carol Peschel: Yeah we had to figure it out-

Lynne Agee: If we didn't play them. We don't know what we need to get done for 33:00yourselves. It was really a challenge.

Carol Peschel: You had to keep calm and you had try to get there. But it made for some difficult ... It was hard because our kids didn't have any awards to play form so we're playing for that bid. We wanted to get a bid so we could get it to postseason play. The year before we actual did get our bid, we had a bidder disappointment because we were in Division II we were ranked maybe, I don't know, 30th or something. And they took 32 teams to the tournament. Well what happened was there was a team in our region Division II team Norfolk State who had played an ineligible player. They were number one in our region and I think we were number two. And another school in their conference reported them and they ended up losing all their games. When they were setting the field for the 32 teams, we thought that we would be ... Since we were ranked in the top 34:0032, and we were second in our region, we thought we would get a post season bid.

Carol Peschel: And we didn't. We brought our kids back to practice and we were all excited and thinking that we're going to go to postseason play and then they passed right over us and I don't know why they did that exactly but they took another team from the Midwest. This was our second year of Division II. Then in our third year of Division II we did get a bid and we ended up going to Nortfolk State to play in the regional up there. But ...

Scott Hinshaw: So this has brought up a question that I just have. So recruitment. Do you have a network of people that work ... You don't have scouts or anything like that. Do you work with high schools? How do you find out about players at that level? 'Cause you're recruiting all over. You're going to the Northeast. It's not just around here.

Carol Peschel: Back in those days it was primarily through the high school coaches and just being up on things. We didn't have the Internet then, but you 35:00looked through newspapers and see who the high scorers were and make calls and try to-

Scott Hinshaw: So it's a lot of-

Carol Peschel: ... find out information about them. But they weren't AAU teams.

Scott Hinshaw: ... old school research-

Carol Peschel: Yeah. Yeah. Picking up the phone and calling people you knew in certain areas. But we were geographical. Virginia was our base. It was like a secret weapon. We could go up there and get kids that people didn't know about. But we had pockets where we would go and be successful. Virginia being one, Northern Virginia, we did well in Maryland for a while. A little bit in Tennessee, but you go back to the same wishing well I guess.

Scott Hinshaw: I assume you'd make connections with high schools or coaches or directors.

Lynne Agee: Exactly.

Carol Peschel: And of course there on the other side, the high school coaches are calling you to tell you about their kids and every now, and then that would pan out. But it was more when we found out about kids. And we would go out in the summer recruiting and kids would be playing at camps. This is what happened then. They would go to summer camps and we would go and evaluate them at the 36:00camps and then try to get on them that way. The other thing too that was an advantage for us was back in those days, Virginia high school basketball was in the fall and we could get on people early. We didn't have to wait until the winter so that's what we did. We were in Virginia all the time. Lynne was talking about the late nights and it would be nothing for us to drive and we'd go up route eight to see kids play up in Floyd, that's where Brenda was from, Bassett.

Carol Peschel: We'd make our way up 220 all the time, looking at kids who were playing in the fall. And we could get a jump on recruiting that way. That was a pretty good advantage for us to try to get those Virginia kids.

Scott Hinshaw: Okay. Do y'all recall any problems with equity with regard to men's and women's sports at UNCG. Was that ever a problem for y'all?


Lynne Agee: Well a long time ago. I was here in '81. I came here in '81 and that was old school, different attitude and whatever. And obviously throughout the growth when Nelson Bobb came in, there was no question that there was equity. Nelson he swore by his mother. It was just that kind, of a personal thing. And then that opened the doors. We were equitable across the board for the most part depending on schedules. One program has more money than the other program. It just depends on which sport you're talking about. But I think we felt equitable. As equitable as we could be in women's basketball. He was a tremendous supporter of women's basketball. Of women's sports period. I think, in our department for the most part, everybody felt that there was a commitment. And that's how we 38:00handled. That's how Nelson, what he believed and what I believed as an associate director back then. We worked together and we wanted the best for every program. We were fortunate to be in that situation and see that he was a tremendous athletic director.

Lynne Agee: And believed in women's sports. Not all of them do.

Scott Hinshaw: That always ... No, they certainly do not.

Lynne Agee: Not all of them do.

Carol Peschel: Nelson wanted ... His goal was don't look at how much money this team gets or that team gets, he wanted every student athlete to have the same experience, whether it would be women's golf or men's basketball. He wanted them to be able to have the same experience. When they went on the road, to be able to go to nice restaurants and eat. Not have this team eating steaks while this teams over here at McDonald's eating burgers. He wanted you to be able to use 39:00your money to treat your kids well, so that every kid got the same experience and felt good about the program.

Carol Peschel: And we didn't have football so that helped to make that happen. But I think we always felt like we were taken care of.

Scott Hinshaw: That's great.

Lynne Agee: Good place to work.

Scott Hinshaw: Yeah.

Lynne Agee: Obviously.

Carol Peschel: Unusual.

Scott Hinshaw: I hear that a lot from people doing these interviews so it's really good across the board.

Carol Peschel: Unusual because it's not like that in very many places. But ...

Scott Hinshaw: Tell me about some of the rival teams y'all have had over the years. Who are your biggest rivals and-

Carol Peschel: All of them.

Lynne Agee: Nobody liked us. We had coaching friends everywhere and they ... Building schedules was always a challenge. I guess, I don't know. We could-

Carol Peschel: Well people did resent us. Some people did resent us because we were elevating. Division I programs, we were elevating and we didn't have a 40:00conference and then when we got into the Big South. When we were moving to Division I we had our eyes on the Colonial. But the Colonial didn't want us. Well we were brand new Division I and they were a little higher up than the Big South, but the Big South took us and we had rivals in the Big South for sure. That was our first conference. At Division II we had no rivals. It was a no man's land and the problem with Division II was in this area, when you talk Division II, it's primarily CIAA which they're their own conference. And you have some schools like Lenoir-Rhyne who's Division II and at that time USC upstate which was Spartanburg-

Lynne Agee: Spartanburg.

Carol Peschel: They were Division II. But they were coming out of the NAIA, which is a totally different organization from the NCAA. There was no affiliation at Division II and no real rivalries. That was another problem. We knew we weren't staying there. We just had to pass through. But when we got to 41:00Division I, we had rivalry's with ... Gosh, in the Big South, Winthrop, Radford was our huge rival and nemesis. We never could beat them in the conference tournament. But Winthrop was another one, UMBC at that point and time, Towson State, those were all big rivalry's. I'm trying to even think of if it was in the Big South at that point. Campbell. Campbell was in the Big South-

Lynne Agee: Oh yeah. Campbell. Yeah.

Carol Peschel: I think they're in the South again but ... We were rivals with a lot of them but I would say that we are also with a lot of them, but I'd say Radford was our huge, huge rival. Liberty. Liberty was another one.

Scott Hinshaw: Okay so my question is we're go back in time a little bit, Sorry. In 1988, your team made it all the way to the Division III final four? Can you 42:00tell any memories of that season or tournament that you have that you want to share?

Carol Peschel: Well that was a great season. Actually our best player probably was Angela Polk. Angela Polk-Jones now.

Scott Hinshaw: Really?

Carol Peschel: She's the principal of the middle college.

Scott Hinshaw: Yeah. Yeah. I recognized the name.

Carol Peschel: And she helped as an assistance coach for two or three years I guess.

Lynne Agee: Angie was our star.

Carol Peschel: Yeah. We were in the ... Okay. In the transition, we were building the PAC which was then ... It was called the PAC-

Lynne Agee: Physical activity center.

Carol Peschel: ... Physical activity complex which later became Fleming Gym and is now common building but that was in the process of being built. We had no gym. We were in Park Gym which doesn't exist anymore. It's now where the humanities building is and Park Gym was 84 ft court, because it was a middle school at one time. Middle School Gym. That was our gym. We're making this ... And somehow, and I don't know how we managed but we ran great fast breaks in 43:00there and we only had 84 ft to work with, so I don't know we did it but I guess we got the ball out pretty quick. So we couldn't host is what I'm getting to. Even that year ... I think that year we might have hosted the conference tournament at Greensboro College. We were the actual host but we had to do it over there 'cause they had a 94 ft court.

Carol Peschel: Then when we're going postseason we had to travel so the first trip we made was to Center College in Kentucky and we won that tournament and that sent us on to Luther College in Iowa, so we traveled up there and we won that. I think we only had to play the one game for that. And that got us to the final four.

Carol Peschel: And then the final four that year was in Concordia. We stayed in Fargo, but we played in Concordia, Minnesota. And we couldn't host but the whole 44:00thing about that year was we had to travel for every round and we won all the way to the final four and then in the final four we got our doors blown off by Concordia. They were a Division III team in Minnesota but the Division I team's in Minnesota. Besides the University of Minnesota, there were none. So, they had Division I players, and they were like 6'2", 6'2", 6'.

Lynne Agee: Big, athletic.

Carol Peschel: We were 5'11", 5'8". They were big and good.

Scott Hinshaw: Across the board.

Carol Peschel: Yeah.

Lynne Agee: Huge.

Carol Peschel: They blew our doors off. They actually ended up winning it I think and then we won the semi final game against the University of Southern Maine. We came in third that year. But just because we never could host one, we were always traveling. The team was quite close because they had to be.


Scott Hinshaw: Yeah. Together a lot. Yeah.

Carol Peschel: It was a fantastic year. That team also went into the UNCG Athletics Hall of Fame and I think almost everybody came back if not everybody from that team.

Scott Hinshaw: That's great. Yeah. Everybody has all gone on to their own careers and they come back for that. That's really, really nice. 1998 was another big year for the program and you won the conference tournament and with that a bid to the NCAA Division I tournament. Tell me about that season and how it made you feel to make the NCAA tournament at that level.

Lynne Agee: Well just in general as a coach your dream is to be in the NCAA tournament be in post season play. We played for that in our minds and worked for that every year. But when you finally make it, it's an unbelievable team experience just to be in the environment and have the opportunity to be playing 46:00for the National title. It's incredible. I don't know what else ...

Carol Peschel: Well it's our first year in the Southern Conference so that made it special.

Lynne Agee: Yes. To win that the first year, no doubt about it.

Carol Peschel: We'd been in the Big South for five years, or seven years. I can't remember now but we went something like 75 and 15 in the set the Big South. When we said nobody liked us-

Scott Hinshaw: That's why.

Carol Peschel: ... they really didn't. But we never could win the tournament in the Big South. We lost the tournament, we were in it, not every year, but probably five of the seven years, we were in there, we were in the Conference Tournament, but we never could win it. And most of the time we got beat by Radford. They were our big nemesis. Then the next year, that '98 year, we came into the Southern Conference and it was a good conference at that point and time. George Southern was in there and Marshall I think was even still in the 47:00conference at that point and time but we went in the tournament our first year in so it was-

Lynne Agee: Nobody knew much about us.

Carol Peschel: Having gone through ... Well they didn't. Yeah. This other conference didn't. But having gone through the Big South and never won the tournament, to coming to the tournament here, it was hosted at the Greensboro Coliseum which is where the Southern Conference was having their tournament, we just happened to live in the city. It was awesome that we got to win that and it was here in the city.

Scott Hinshaw: How much do you think home field or home court advantage plays into the games and does it ... You've talked about how you had to travel a lot for a lot of these games and then you had this opportunity to host in your home city. I hope people showed up to support.

Carol Peschel: Yeah. We had a good crowd there.

Scott Hinshaw: But it does make a difference to the players.

Carol Peschel: Yeah. Comfort level.

Lynne Agee: Absolutely. Yeah.

Carol Peschel: Yeah. It just gives you a comfort level that the other teams that 48:00are traveling often don't have. It's hard to win on the road, but I can remember after we won that game we took the game tape to Looney's because it was open then. JP Looney's, and they let us play it again, they had all the big screens in the back and they let us put the tape in and we set there and watched the whole game again with our whole team and their parents and it was really cool.

Scott Hinshaw: Yeah that's wild.

Lynne Agee: That was fun. Great ride. It was a great ride that year.

Scott Hinshaw: What accomplishments as a coach are you, both of you most proud of? You can go one after the other. It doesn't matter or together.

Lynne Agee: I would say well, obviously you're proud to be successful as a coach and be able to lead your players in success. But we were very in tune to academics. We believed in more than that. We didn't leave it to everybody else to take care of our kids and help them through their academic areas and that's 49:00the most important thing. Is that you graduate. You're going to graduate everybody and I think we just about did. Did we miss one or did we-

Carol Peschel: No. We have about 100 graduates.

Lynne Agee: So I-

Carol Peschel: In 30 years and that's the only thing that matters. The wins and losses, you know [negative].

Lynne Agee: And the majority of them who committed to us, stayed with us. They didn't transfer and leave and go all over the place like you hear so many times.

Scott Hinshaw: Says a lot. Yeah.

Lynne Agee: They did. They were committed to the university and to the basketball program. We had a ... It was a special time. It really was.

Carol Peschel: That's the most important thing is the graduates that we had and were calling the certain era's, peoples four year periods and who played the other at what time and it's amazing how close some of those units have stayed. 50:00We were at a wedding this summer, ChoRonda Gwaltney, and she had, they're were probably 10 players back for her wedding. That came to the wedding.

Scott Hinshaw: That's awesome.

Lynne Agee: From years ago.

Carol Peschel: It was like a high school reunion.

Scott Hinshaw: As I say everybody's got their own families and careers and things that are all over the place and-

Carol Peschel: And our managers come by-

Lynne Agee: And they came.

Carol Peschel: ... because if you were part of it, you were part of the family. And our trainers, our managers, it was all one unit. When we bring back certain teams, everybody's included. It's so cool because you just see where people are now and it's so neat, to keep up with formal players and find out about their families and how many kids ... Shoot, we had 100 graduates, we probably got 200-

Lynne Agee: Grandkids.

Carol Peschel: .... Grandkids. We got a bunch.

Lynne Agee: We got 200 grandkids out there.

Carol Peschel: But it's just neat to keep up.

Scott Hinshaw: That's awesome.

Carol Peschel: And Julie's got four, herself. So.


Scott Hinshaw: Actually that was going to be the next question. Do you keep up with your former players?

Carol Peschel: We do.

Scott Hinshaw: So you do. You just said-

Carol Peschel: Texting, emails ...

Lynne Agee: Out of the blue sometimes somebody will text, one of them will text that we haven't heard from or know anything about.

Carol Peschel: Occasional phone calls but lots of emails. And it's funny I've got to answer one that we got about a month ago were just checking in and she's a successful family therapist now, but she was just saying thanks for-

Scott Hinshaw: That's really nice.

Carol Peschel: ... being part of my narrative.

Scott Hinshaw: Do you know how many of them have gone on to coaching or even playing or ...

Carol Peschel: We've had a few, go into coaching but most of them are not willing to ... You have to devote your life to it. You just can't have much of a social life because you're always recruiting and now in these current days, 52:00you're always texting, tweeting to stay in touch with your kids and a lot of them have gone into coaching and then gotten out. Or they've gone into college coaching and then scaled back to the high school level because you can have a life there.

Scott Hinshaw: Sure

Carol Peschel: But at the college level, it's a 24-7 job. And we did it that way, but we recruited our kids, even our current players, you have to recruit them too even though you already have them. You have to make sure they're doing okay, that they're happy and that's one of the reasons why ours didn't transfer. We made sure that we knew what was going on with them and that they were getting what they needed and taking care of them and keeping them out of trouble a little bit where we had to. Now coaching is so much different. But see we only 53:00had three people ever, three or four people, one or two assistants. We didn't have a DoBO (Director of Basketball Operations) so the head coach can pawn a lot of those things off on their director of basketball operations, somebody that can do the tweeting of them. That's in ages are more compatible so you have a younger coach doing the tweeting and they can relay it a little better.

Lynne Agee: It's crazy. It's invasive and it's crazy.

Carol Peschel: It's all consuming. Our players are pretty smart by a margin. They've not opted in to college coaching because they wanted more.

Scott Hinshaw: Your teams have been consistent winners over many years and at different levels, so what are the secrets to your success?

Lynne Agee: I think first I feel like we evaluated well for our program. I think 54:00we were very conscious of what fit we needed with our team and did it fit UNCG ... Did that individual fit UNCG as an institution too. There were a lot of things going into that but I think evaluation was the key. And if you're going to assemble the team and get a positive environment and a positive finish with the team, then those people have to be together. You got to make a team. That's more work than going on the floor and doing x's and o's and running plays. It's more work keeping the team a team while they're going through all their college emotions and meeting people and doing whatever. Basketball was just a part.


Lynne Agee: There's a whole lot around it that people don't realize. A coach ... You just don't sit in the office and go down on the court and that's all you do if you want to do it well and you want to provide for their desires and help them achieve their goals. It's a very difficult job and it's all consuming job. And I think a lot of young people don't understand that, until they get in it.

Scott Hinshaw: Yeah, right.

Carol Peschel: I think it's-

Lynne Agee: It's your life.

Carol Peschel: ... taking care of your kids though. We took of our players. We made sure that they ... We knew what was going on with them. We knew where they were academically. We knew when they had test. We knew when the touchy moments were going to be because we had a nursing major one time and it's very difficult to ba a Nursing major. She'd come in sometime in tears to practice because just 56:00the stress of her day. But we knew with her, and she was emotional anyway. But we just took care of them, we knew where they were, but we also and alluded to ... We never thought basketball was everything. Basketball's just a small part of the college experience and we want them to have that so we try to ... When they were in their four year career, we try to take them to this part of the country, this part of the country, this part of it so they could see ... We had kids that we knew would never be on the plane again. We took them to California, we put them on a boat and took them out to Alcatraz.

Carol Peschel: We did things like that just to give them an experience and once they are enjoying experiences like that together, then they bond themselves and then you can ... Once that starts to happen, they start to take care of themselves and each other and then you can just be supervising that. And I think 57:00we were pretty good at that. Getting a good unit's together and they would care about each other and then they would take care of each other. And you always had a team mom that knew what was going on, so we could communicate with the team mom and find out where everybody was just so that we could keep everything smooth. And that worked for a long time. But they had great experiences I think. We took one team to Norway and Sweden and that's Nelson. That's the equity because the men's team was wanting to go on a foreign trip, but he wouldn't let them go unless we went.

Scott Hinshaw: Well that's great. Yeah.

Carol Peschel: And then same thing happened when we got to go to Italy. We took another group totally, same thing. The men's team was going and we got to go to.

Scott Hinshaw: That's awesome.

Carol Peschel: That's really awesome 'cause that doesn't happen anywhere else, I can tell you.

Scott Hinshaw: Well we're coming to the end here, so we have some questions that 58:00we ask of everybody in these interviews, conclusion questions. We'll start with Coach Agee first. Tell me how UNCG has affected your life and what it means to you.

Lynne Agee: We've been telling you that the whole time. Well obviously it was the place for me at that given time. Like I said, it was a national recognized university in women's athletics and educationally and I wanted to be a part of that. And Greensboro was a connection, family way back, Greensboro, my mother had ... It was just something I knew about. I knew the city from that perspective. I knew North Carolina even though I was in Virginia. Once I decided that coaching was where I was headed and I was leaving one state and looking for something else, North Carolina was just ... It was a basketball state. That was 59:00a part too. It was a basketball state. I grew up watching the University of North Carolina, men not women but then of course there was Sylvia and all the rest, the North Carolina influence and the basketball part that you've always heard of was part of it to. And then UNCG was the top women's college pretty much in the country in physical education at that point. I wanted to be tied into that. It was like it was scripted almost. It fell into place.

Lynne Agee: We had ... Well, athletic director Nelson. Well, but the first athletic director, Tony Ladd ... I didn't work with any real bad people. People tell you horror stories about us athletic departments all the time, but we 60:00didn't have that and we had a tremendous Chancellor in Bill Moran and it was just a good place to be. Which is what we recruited. It's how we sold the ... It's a good place to be. It's a great place.

Carol Peschel: Yeah UNCG is the place to be.

Lynne Agee: It was the place to be.

Carol Peschel: That's one of the things we used to use in recruiting.

Lynne Agee: That was what I was trying to get to but I missed it, missed the first one. I think beyond it being our basketball program, it was ours to run, but I think beyond that it was how everybody felt. We had a special department at that time too and everybody was committed to the elevation of a program and we shared a lot throughout that process with other coaches. We had good relationships with other coaches. We went to watch each other play all the time. 61:00We really had a family connection going on through the process of building. Which that can create it for you, because you're all sharing your experiences and we're each trying to move our own sport and do it right, and we talked a lot to each other about how you're going to do it, just the whole nine yards was a very challenging experience and a very rewarding experience.

Lynne Agee: The other challenge of course it to try to keep winning every year. That's just another beast. That comes with the program. It was just an exciting time 'cause we were creating a university and creating a Division I athletic program. It was fun. There were some hard times, but to look at it now. To drive by the university and say, "Oh my Gosh, how much it's grown."


Carol Peschel: A lot.

Scott Hinshaw: Changed a lot.

Lynne Agee: It was a good place to be. A good place to be.

Carol Peschel: Same thing Lynn said it. It's all about the people. We've made lifelong friends here and even though some of them have moved on to other places we still stay in touch either through Facebook, or ... Eddie Radwanski just came back the other day and I think several members of the department were there to greet him and ... Just lifelong friends, not only the coaches and the administrators that we work with but our players. They become just like your kids. You go through, and once they've been through college they start getting married, you have more that friendship basis with your own kids and that's what it's like with our players 'cause you have to ... When you first come into contact with them they maybe 16, 17. They're kids and then at some point during that four years, they become women. And that was the privilege of working with 63:00young women at that point in time, when one day you just look across the floor and they're not kids anymore. They're women.

Scott Hinshaw: Right. Somewhere along the line it happened.

Carol Peschel: But changes happened but you didn't see it but now you see it.

Lynne Agee: Too involved in it and all of a sudden you know.

Carol Peschel: So you ride that through and they start getting married, you get wedding invitations, now they've got kids and all that is why I did it. 'Cause that's the good part. That's the good stuff.

Scott Hinshaw: Okay. Well we're doing these interviews as part of the 125th anniversary of the university which is an excellent opportunity for re flexion but also helps us to think about where we are heading in the future. I'm going to ask y'all to think about the future of UNCG and where do you think it's heading in the next 20, 30 years? It's a tough question but it's interesting to see what people say.

Lynne Agee: I think it's ... Obviously it's been growing like crazy and 64:00developed into major university. Non football playing. The campus is unbelievable. Additions, new buildings, stuff going on all the time. So it seems to me having been away and coming back just the growth is still ongoing. Of course there's a lot in the state of North Carolina to compete against, no doubt about it, but it seems like they're moving forward, they're not stopping, which is a good thing. You want to continue to develop and improve and add new programs and whatever suits. Whether that suits the community or whatever. I think it's in a good place.

Carol Peschel: I think the future looks bright, but you do have to remember where UNCG is located. In the state of North Carolina and all the other great schools that are here, you're a competition for students with those schools and 65:00one of the things that we always used to use in recruiting is you got Carolina and State, then you got Duke and Wake, those are just the ACC schools. In terms of recruiting kids, we were always like, "Man if we can be fifth or sixth best, we're doing pretty good in this state." You don't have to say that in every state. In Kentucky, you can be second best pretty quick. North Carolina's just got so many great schools and even though UNCG's doing all these things to get greater, they are too. As you ride through that current, if you can try to stay, if you can try to get to fifth or sixth, you're doing great 'cause you're still ahead of Charlotte and Wilmington and Davidson.


Carol Peschel: That was one of the things that we tried to use in recruiting 'cause you never going to be better some of those great ACC schools so you have to create that special niche which is I think one thing that UNCG's always been really good at and that's what needs to continue to happen. And I think it is, but there's just so much competition in this state for students. It's tough.

Scott Hinshaw: Definitely. Well I don't have any more formal questions, is there anything that either one of you would like to add to the interview?

Lynne Agee: No, I think it was fun taking a walk back in time.

Carol Peschel: Well I'd like to say UNCG's basketball is on the right track having derailed right after Lynne left for a little while, but I think now they're on the right track. I think they've got great leadership and I think the future looks very bright. They have got the right people in place.

Scott Hinshaw: Good.


Lynne Agee: Yeah. I agree. Good statement.

Carol Peschel: I think it looks good. I don't go to all the other sports so I can't even really address any of the other sports but as far as women's basketball goes, it's hard to spend 30 years and build something just to have it lay over and die so to have somebody back in position who wants to pick the program up and help it get back to its rightful place which is a place where it was in the 70s. From the very beginning, women's basketball has been well known actually. It's very comforting to know that there are people working to continue or revive what you did and then continue it forward. I'm thankful for that because it was hard when you picked up the paper to see not very many wins in a year.

Scott Hinshaw: All right. Well thank you both very much for doing this. This was 68:00fun. I enjoyed it.

Carol Peschel: It was fun.

Lynne Agee: Thank you.