In this transcript of a, August 13, 1982, oral history interview conducted by Eugene Pfaff with Howard Holderness, Holderness discusses his view on the 1954 Brown v. Board of Educationdecision, the school board's interpretation of the Pearsall Plan, and why he felt the school system needed to wait before implementing desegregation. He provides details of his conversation with the president of Woolworth's concerning integration of their lunch counter and the role of civil rights demonstrators. He also recalls his appointment to the Advisory Committee on Human Relations, the committee's goals, and the members' differing opinions.